Monday, August 04, 2008

          > Some of us seem to be unable to move forward in
          > our dialogues or our conceptual contexts for our
          > work, and I think actually it is that rigidity
          > and fundamentalism that damages our community
          > most.

I should have thought that dying from acquired immune deficiency syndrome or getting sick from it would damage a community most.

Rather than some abstract concept.

Cliches of cliches, cliches piled on cliches, how many times have we heard all this stuff really.

People are not going to answer
  a) Is it considered a so called safer sex practice?... having
      greater numbers of multiple sex partners.
  b) Is it considered a so called safer sex practice?... having
      less numbers of multiple sex partners.
because they can't.
Nature has a power over us.
Beyond their own experience or these very typical cliches
they continually deny the facts of life.
This force is built in, because we have to do these things,
as it is for any given species.

Condoms can prevent pregnancy for example but the problem is failure and failure rates.
People just deny the power of nature over and over.

Have sex with an infected person or not have sex with him.
It's an option. Companions and friends are dying optionally.
That doesn't change the facts that companions and friends are dead and dying.
Call the words asinine until the cows come home and companions and friends will be dead and dying into the future.
Turn into a petri dish for this disease by serosorting and having sex only with positive people.
People are turning themselves into petri dishes for this disease where new variations, new varieties are getting created because they have new genetic material to work with, new bodies to work with.
Some people may find that unpalatable but it is a point of view in which two species are gaining ground.
Where in fact this tiny little unconscious virus is gaining ground on millions of our species.
You've got your death list of companions and friends as have I.

12 comments:

  1. In gentle and loving ways rooted in great understanding, I plead that when you argue, be careful... maybe you do not mean to say what you have said so I grant that graciously.

    Consider~ the psychological suffering and the emotional anguish of the living, those who cause each other pain long after the loved one is gone... this is the greater suffering. Always. Until it is done.

    Consider also~ We are in dreadful co-mmunion with this virus. We are learning from one another. As she changes to infect us, we change to thwart her.

    People are already being born and are already living who are building resistance to the virus and have no symptoms.

    Consider~ all entities that change to adapt to their environment have a consciousness, and a weakness for death. They crave it as they do life.

    Consider also~ that nature is relative and the drive to live or die varies from one consciousness to another.

    The virus that may be in me is more frightened than I am.

    Consider~ That the person writing this comment did not have sex for life or death. I have no drive to perpetuate a species. My sex does no such thing. I am deeply conscious of this. My every cell knows it. I was driven by love and lust and deep immaterial attractions... all are totally irrational.

    This does not make the action weaker or worthy of judgment. But it precludes any thought to putting up barriers. Even ones that are latex... or social... or fundamentally ignorant

    What I am hearing is that abstinence is the pretense to this argument.

    What we might experience is creative avenues of ecstacy... and affective, dynamic, smart HEALING methods.

    Consider~
    a)multiple sex partners increases the pool of genetic variance in human beings

    b)fewer sex partners limits your personal risk ONLY AS FAR AS YOU ARE COMPLETELY AWARE OF THE PARTNERS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR AND VIRAL STATUS

    please inform me of any facts that I have denied... please expound on the things we have considered. I am engaging to be educated and to find a cure for all dis-ease associated with HIV and AIDS

    ~A~

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  2. A curiosity... Why the gender specific term in the statement, "Have sex with an infected person or not have sex with him."

    Consider~ reading;
    Looks Like Crazy by Pearl Cleage

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  3. Change him to them.

    Is it still curious?

              > A curiosity... Why the gender specific
              > term in the statement, "Have sex
              > with an infected person or not have
              > sex with him."
              >
              > Consider~ reading;
              > Looks Like Crazy by Pearl Cleage

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  4.           > In gentle and loving ways rooted in
              > great understanding, I plead that
              > when you argue, be careful... maybe
              > you do not mean to say what you
              > have said so I grant that graciously.

    You tell me what I haven't said carefully when I don't say it carefully, and I'll overlook your soft threat: "...be careful...".

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  5.           > Consider~ the psychological suffering
              > and the emotional anguish of the
              > living, those who cause each other
              > pain long after the loved one is
              > gone... this is the greater suffering.
              > Always. Until it is done.

    You might consider the families and friends of the dead.

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  6.           > Consider also~ We are in dreadful
              > co-mmunion with this virus. We are
              > learning from one another. As she
              > changes to infect us, we change to
              > thwart her.

    Dead people don't learn anything. It also appears that many of the living haven't learned anything either.

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  7.           > People are already being born and
              > are already living who are building
              > resistance to the virus and have no
              > symptoms.

    You can take that discussion to the appropriate list.


              > Consider~ all entities that change to
              > adapt to their environment have a
              > consciousness, and a weakness for
              > death. They crave it as they do life.

    Yeah, maybe. I'll wait for the evidence on that one.


              > Consider also~ that nature is relative
              > and the drive to live or die varies
              > from one consciousness to another.

    You seem to think its a bell curve. I don't.


              > The virus that may be in me is more
              > frightened than I am.

    Did you just see my eyeballs roll over in my head?


              > Consider~ That the person writing
              > this comment did not have sex for
              > life or death.

    So I've considered it. Now what?


              > I have no drive to perpetuate a
              > species.

    Oh yes you do--its just pointed in a direction not destined to be one of reproduction.


              > My sex does no such thing.

    What doesn't it do?


              > I am deeply conscious of this.

    Consider me doubtful.


              > My every cell knows it.

    Again, I'll wait for the evidence of that.


              > I was driven by love and lust and deep
              > immaterial attractions... all are
              > totally irrational.

    Finally we've agreed to something.


              > This does not make the action
              > weaker or worthy of judgment.

    I'll make a judgement on the results--did somebody die because of the actions of another.

              > But it precludes any thought to
              > putting up barriers.

    Which leads me to think:
      1) sex is more important
          than dying

      2) sex is more important
          than killing someone

      3) if it were easy for an individual to change
          their sexual behavior, then that species
          wouldn't have survived so long



              > Even ones that are latex... or
              > social... or fundamentally ignorant
              >
              > What I am hearing is that abstinence
              > is the pretense to this argument.

    First, make an appointment with an audiologist. Go see a proctologist right after that.


              > What we might experience is creative
              > avenues of ecstacy...

    Yeah, that's possible.


              > and affective, dynamic, smart
              > HEALING methods.
              >
              > Consider~
              > a) multiple sex partners increases the
              > pool of genetic variance in human
              > beings

    Only is there are offspring.


              > b) fewer sex partners limits your
              > personal risk ONLY AS FAR AS YOU
              > ARE COMPLETELY AWARE OF THE
              > PARTNERS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR AND
              > VIRAL STATUS

    Not having sex limits your risk to zero.

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  8. Talking about HIV and AIDS and dieing is difficult, I know when you read these words put an inflection of patience and love and understanding.

    I will watch your words because for purposes important to me I want to understand exactly what you are saying because I feel it is important.

    I really want to learn from you and understand what information you have.

    I am not here to threaten your position or change your mind. I am too busy changing myself.

    careful... or full of care. I requested of you, simply. There is no soft threat involved.

    I have just joined this discussion. I have nothing personal between you and I.

    To be clear, I have not infected anyone with HIV. I am a concerned person acting in prevention of this. No one died because I had sex and no one is living because I chose to abstain. I am validly reserved from whatever anger is being projected concerning those two harrowing points.

    Insinuation, insult and slander are completely counterproductive.

    I have already typed numerous words getting us back to a progressive intercourse.

    Now that we are clear on that, can we please dialogue? We can do this... both of us... without ranting. This is how consensus and progress is made. (that is what people are trying to tell you.)

    Your statement at the conclusion of your last counter was "Not having sex limits your risk to zero."

    I think I am understanding you... I'm just not sure. What is your proposed course of action in your life so you do not die of AIDS.

    What is the proposed action for the collective of humanity and other sentient beings to reduce infection.

    We have both admitted that abstinence is sticky... the basis of that drive, I have decided, is irrelevant and does not make it's nature one way or another(hetero or homo) inferior. But how, if abstinence is a way to quarantine, do we insure quarantine and still nurture the human aspect of intimacy?

    I don't know if it is further appropriate to attempt to substantiate my points in marked evidence that DNA acts as a vehicle for genetic and other information. I do not know if Matrifocal and Eastern trainings in science and health mean anything to you yet. Or if you are coming from an education to give me the appropriate credentials to help you understand my perspective on human growth and the psychological and biological nature of all living things.

    Please tell me (yes or no) if you are knowledgeable that in 5 to 7 years all of your cells will be regenerated clear to the marrow of your bones. That you will be a completely different person based on the culmination of natural process guided by gradual experience. And that your muscles, themselves, (not the most intelligent of any animal's constituent parts)have a memory and will go back to what you have trained them to do and what your ancestors did before you.

    I am simply bringing up these points as well document data from centuries of recorded evidence (I did not take the time to site my sources because I have just come to the computer from sleeping and still do not have any of my clothes on or food in my belly... but I am intrigued enough by your position to want to learn from you... there is the internet and collegiate libraries. I will give you sources if you ask.


    >> I was driven by love and lust >>and deep immaterial >>attractions... all are totally >>irrational.

    >Finally we've agreed to something.

    I do not think we have agreed but instead this statement gives you a smug pleasure because it appears I have proven a point for you.

    I used the word LUST to describe a state that is not unique to me or people infected with HIV but to illustrate a drive to have sex with another human being... simply for the benefit this brings to mind body and soul... is a common human factor in most intimate associations. Being that we as a culture no longer arrange marriages by a rule of standard conduct, (though this still occurs, we have come to the understanding that sex fosters pleasure mutually between multiple individuals simultaneously in a way no other activity does.

    Whole religious systems are built on this amazing phenomenon... ask the Magdalena.
    ( I am, again, agreeing with you that the implications of the sex act are deeply rooted. It is this one opinion that it is difficult and disastrous if attempted to weed out. It often proves failure.)

    But let's not dwell too much on the sexual aspect of it... I have a feeling we deviate on our values there.

    Let's again visit this statement... without attacking me this time just try to agree.

    The statement, again
    >Not having sex limits your risk >to zero.

    Is false.

    Because this virus has no preference other than fluid to fluid or membrane to membrane contact... for now; she has no preference over sexual identities or political projections (the highest population infected is women only by their receptive biology... the highest contraction method is sex only by its frequency)

    I consider the family and friends of the dead every day. I consider the living who look at me with tired eyes every day. I consider you. And if we can build a report, I will uplift you in this struggle.

    Sincerely and in Great Humility,
    ~A~

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  9.           > I will give you sources if you ask.

    Sources?... send along any and all !

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  10. I feel you baiting me while you still miss the point.

    Credibility is self-evident.

    I want to talk with you and learn from you. Are you prepared?

    Or would you suggest I go to someone else???

    ...but you did, as I recall. So I will consider it.

    But first... what is your story? Why do you seem so angry? What can be done to turn anger into embrace and rebirth?

    I feel really stuck here...

    Hmm, maybe you will respond and be receptive?

    We'll give it another try.

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  11. *since you asked*

    Thiough I really prefer you hadn't requested this. It feels like I am having a debate team flashback and I find it highly tedious. Particularly considering the info is completely obtuse from what I am asking to dialogue with you about.

    Here is a list of sources stating obvious observations you may choose to accept or refute. If you do disagree with these sources you may try to find one or two you deem credible on your own.

    My statements are supported by many cultures and peoples so some are still oral traditions you would have to travel far away to hear...

    BUT HERE IS AN INTERERSTING FINDING!!! Camel's milk has been shown to have qualities that prevent and retard the contraction/developement of HIV and AIDS.
    -according to Al Jezeer Network Report hummanuh hummanuh eons ago

    Be aware that the following sources are not the originating sources for my claims. They are common opinion and scientific accumulations of information (again, gathered over centuries by multiple peoples.)

    For convenience I will use links to reputable publications and periodicals sited online. Though I know this leaves them subject to ridicule.

    Any and all. Ugh.

    K, here we go. But I will not give you ALL the sources. The demand is just too... grand.

    On Body regeneration:

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9405E0DB1F3EE733A2575AC1A96E9C946797D6CF

    Egypt:Child of Africa By Ivan Van Sertima

    Also check out the Body Worlds Exhibits and research done by the Denver Museum... or go to any museum and enjoy it. You will find my statements not so isolated in personal oppinion but shared comminalities with other oppinions of white men in suits and lab coats.

    http://www.dmns.org/main/en/General/Exhibitions/content/BODY+WORLDS/bodyWorldsExhibitAmazingFacts.htm

    On DNA and cellular memory:

    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1884170

    http://www.epidna.com/showabstract.php?pmid=17850924&redirect=yes&terms=DNA+and+cellular+memory

    or read Epigenetics By C. David Allis, Thomas Jenuwein, Danny Reinberg


    ALRIGHT, TIT for TAT, Goose for Gander. Talk to me... what are you really trying to say? And are you ever going to answer my sincere inquiries (please reference them on your own in the comments posted.) I will not repeat them. If I am dissatisfied I will simply disengage and seek a more friendly and helpful source.

    I feel nauseous.

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  12. How are these items related to your argument?...

    a.
    What Looks Like Crazy On An Ordinary Day..
    by Pearl Cleage

    b.
    Egypt Child of Africa
    Edited by Ivan Van Sertima

    c.
    BodyWorlds

    d.
    Exploring cellular memory molecules marking competent and active transcriptions
    Li Xin

    e.
    DNA methylation impacts on learning and memory in aging
    Liang Liu

    f.
    Epigenetics
    by C. David Allis

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